Woodies: You like them vicious or rough?

[Thrill Reconnoiter]

Ugh, you pervert!

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Okay seriously, this is something that has been bugging me for quite a while now. In my opinion, I think people get the terms vicious or aggressive mixed up with rough.

When I think of vicious or aggressive, I think of Voyage. Now there is a few spots where the train gets shaky, but for the most part, the speed at which the course is taken make the transitions 'snappy'.

When I think of rough, I think Son of Beast. The way the train unnecessarily 'chatters' between the rails causing me to be slammed left to right.

Now a lot of people say that the two are very similar, but I disagree. On an aggresive coasters, I don't feel like the train is ready to rip-up the trackwork...and more importantly, I feel g-forces that accompany the ride. On rough coasters, it just feels like the ride is trying to eat itself.


Thoughts and your take?

[sheikra182]

I will go for a Vicious woodie anyday because they are more enjoyable. To me that had to be The Beast. Yes it was rough in some areas but it wasnt trying to eat itself like Gwazi Lion. I think its a great ride and so are all vicious woodies. The other thing that plays a role in my pick has to be that a vicious can do much more such as more airtime, steeper drop, basically everything on El Toro!

[apsterling]

I like rough ones, but also the vicious. I'd have to say rough, as usually they have bad reputations and shorter lines. :)

[Dive Loop Alex]

The fact that woodies don't have shoulder restraints makes the bumpiness a lot easier to handle, because you just slide back forth in your seat versus a shoulder restraint where your head gets throw around agaisnt the restraints, so the bumpiness can be handled in my opinion but I would rather ride Voyage, a vecious coaster

[Michael]

I like it rough, really rough ;)

he he, couldn't resist :p

[sirloin]

Ugh, you pervert!ROFL! For a moment, I thought this thread was a sales pitch!

I think the vicious feel is part of what makes a wooden coaster a wooden coaster, and as such I like 'em vicious. Especially the uber-vicious ones, but wait, I haven't been on too many of those. I need to experience this Gravity Group craze going on.

As far as rough, I will say I have a higher tolerance than others. I hear people complain about some rides and all I can think is, "What the heck? Are they on crack?" That even pertains to the Rattler and the Texas Giant, which I enjoy (so long as I'm riding in the appropriate seat).

There is a fine line, though, which, when crossed, results in extreme unpleasantness. Mean Streak hits that mark, and Texas Giant is fast approaching. I shouldn't look down a drop and immediately think "Oh boy, this one's gonna huuuuuuuurrrrrrrrttttt!!!!!" Riding roller coasters shouldn't be like getting blood drawn. However, on the other side of the coin, I think that if a wooden coaster rides like steel, it may as well be steel.

I think rides like Hersheypark's Wildcat, the Texas Cyclone, and Kings Dominion's Grizzly were the best examples of how a wooden coaster is supposed to ride. And they are (or were *sniff*) some of the best examples of wooden coasters I've ever ridden.

To clarify, though, some wooden coasters are simply too mild. Judge Roy Scream, KI's Racer, etc., are also poor representations of the wooden coaster genre. It has to have a certain level of viciousness. But then, that applies to all coasters, not just wooden ones.

[Mike T]

Some of the better wooden roller coasters that I have ridden haven't exactly been "smooth" rides so to speak. I like a wooden roller coaster that gives an out of control feeling, not just with directional changes, but by giving that feeling that it's a 'runaway train'. A good example of this is Thunderhead, which not only bobs and weaves throughout the course, but its sudden dips catch you by surprise, making it intense from an up/down and side-to-side aspect. In my opinion, a wooden roller coaster should be the most intense breed of track. A wooden coaster is something that should make you want to hold on for dear life, and I think thats the direction that companies like Gravity Group and Great Coasters are trying to go with through their designs.

[Dan]

I think it is the nature of a woodie to not be too smooth, but at the same time, they shouldn't hurt you with roughness. I've built up a tolerance, you could say, to roughness (as have many enthusiasts, probably most of you). However, snappy movements and quick directional changes make up vicious, and I simply love vicious. Comparing it to steel...at CP, Millennium Force is smooth, and Maverick is vicious. Most people seem to prefer Maverick from the reviews I have read and heard, and I think the same concept goes toward woodies. But alas! Wooden coasters can't be so tall, elegant, and smooth. With tallness comes speed, and on most woodies that means a rougher ride. Not more vicious, but rougher. So, the way to go is vicious.

Of course, newer rides like El Toro (which runs like a steel coaster) that are prefabricated won't be so rough, but the concept sticks. Vicious doesn't need tremendous speed, and that is why woodies should be vicious. But, throw in some speed and I'm still happy to ride it.

[Matt]

I'll take some Vicious wood please.

Just hearing the sound of Voyage sounding like its ripping itself apart gives me goosebumps.

[jolash]

I agree with Mike that woodies should be the most terrifying and vicious coasters around.

I can only imagine Maverick in a wooden form :p

[zburns999]

Wooden coasters are meant to beat the ever living crap out of you. If I get off a woody and I'm not in some serious pain then something's wrong (except for El Toro, because that thing was designed by God himself).

[The Storm Runner]

I have to say vicious as well. Lightning Racer (Lightning side), back seat = :eek: (in a good way), especially if you win. ;) Wildcat is awesome too. I think the Millennium Flyers turned it from a rough and vicious coaster into a vicious coaster all the time, and starting to get rough as the day progresses. :)

From my trip to KD, I definitely preferred Rebel Yell to Grizzly. Grizzly was just :eek: (In a bad way). Rebel Yell (backwards) was vicious, yet it was fun.

[Maxamillious]

I love woodies but personally, I like as smooth as possible. There’s nothing wrong with riding a vicious woodie like Rattler at Six Flags Fiesta Texas from time to time, but a nice, somewhat rough woodie like Rebel Yell (backwards) at Kings Dominion is just my flavor.


From my trip to KD, I definitely preferred Rebel Yell to Grizzly. Grizzly was just :eek: (In a bad way). Rebel Yell (backwards) was vicious, yet it was fun.You should try riding it backwards in the rain at 9:00PM. Most amazing ride experience you could have on any woodie. :)

[thedeadfrog]

Heh, I will still say the best woodie i've ever ridden condition would be GhostRider at the night run. No Trims No Lights! It was rough, but you got airtime on the TURNS!

[SnooSnoo]

I prefer El Toro.. which is neither.

Although, Voyage.. I thought I was paralyzed after I got off.. but it was the best
'not being able to walk' experience i've ever had.. lol

[tycooner55]

Gwazi was fun. My hand was numb from the vibrations of the grab handle. I enjoyed it's intensity, but I could never ride it twice in a row. Just a little too painful. Not sure what category I would put it under.

I seem to be one of the few people who don't mind Mean Streak. I think it's a fun ride that rarely has a line.

That brings me to the disgrace of a wooden coaster, the Villain. It looks like fun, but it hurts A LOT. It is the only coaster I have ever refused to ride again after riding. It's too bad SF never maintained it properly. It went from, so I've heard, a great vicious coaster to, IMO, extremely rough. Plus, the crappy cars don't help.

[Michael]

Here's my take on some woodies that I've ridden that are often portayed as rough by both the public and coaster enthusiasts...


Mean Streak: Oh, ol' Meany... it's kind of an paradox if you ask me. The ride is very tame to be honest, at least the first 1/2 of it. It starts out with an insanley high lift, the view is outstanding. But as you build up speed heading down the very bumpy drop, you realize how lame the drop is. You hit 45* and level out, pulling some decent g's, but the only good thing is the speed (which is insanely fast). The first double-dip turnaround thing is weak, like a tame version of SOB's first over-banked turn-thing. Then you crest down and pull back up, without any loss of weight over the top. :( then you do some weaving in and out at insanely high heights, pop a bit of air, (very minimal though), and hit the MCBR's and then this thing turns into a different animal. There isn't much air, but you're screaming along, the ride is very rough, but akes it great. This ride really hauls *** as it speeds along passing in and out of the structure. There are some parts where it really gets vicious. The ending almost makes up for the tame beginning, yet overall, it's not terribly great. Just some nice views, rough turns, and bumpy spots; it's alright, but nothing spectacular.


The Beast: This is one of the roughest experiences I've ever gone through. Starting from the drop, you are slammed into the side of your seat. Every bump is felt as you are vicously hauled through the course, gradually decending into the forest. The air is minimal, if not unnoticible, yet the roughness and vicious turns make up for it. After the second lift, you enter the best area of the ride; the beast's lair. The very bumpy and crude lead in to the tunnel is awesome; it really adds something unique. Awkwardly banked, you slam (litterally) into your seat as the laterals build on and the tunnel roars around you; this is as vicous as woodies get. After the psychotic tunnel, you fly up into the brake run. A very intense and hardcore woody, it makes all the difference. This thing hauls *** through the layout, it's not right :p


Overall, I like the vicousness of the wooden experience, no steel coaster can compare to the hardcore, roaring, head-chopping goodness that woodies offer. That's why I love them :D

[p0tat0]

Vicious sounds more terrible than rough in my opinion. I like some bumps here and there, but not constant whipping around in my seat.

[Cody]

I like it rough, really rough ;)

he he, couldn't resist :p

Same with me, but it doesn't have to be a wooden coaster. I like rough rides.

I love painful rides with the constant whipping the whole way through. Woodies like Ghostrider, Gwazi, Son Of Beast, or Psyclone. I think Blue Streak had the same bumps too.

[rollercoasterfreak91]

^^^Don't forget Psyclone. That thing was destined for the scrap pile. Maybe it was better at first, I don't know, but that ride was completely unenjoyable.

[Jake]

^ From what I hear, it was much better before the quake.

[theRock-steel]

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In my opinion, I think people get the terms vicious or aggressive mixed up with rough.

The way the train unnecessarily 'chatters' between the rails causing me to be slammed left to right.

Now a lot of people say that the two are very similar, but I disagree. On an aggresive coasters, I don't feel like the train is ready to rip-up the trackwork...and more importantly, I feel g-forces that accompany the ride. On rough coasters, it just feels like the ride is trying to eat itself.



I too believe that there is a difference between aggressive and rough. All coasters have to be somewhat aggressive or they will be boring. However, when there is unnecessary movement that leaves the rider black and blue, I would say that it has crossed the line to be rough. I love g-forces that are up and down. When making a turn and there are large lateral forces, I am less happy.
Let me give examples. Beast, Gwazi, Roar, Thunderhead, and Wilcat are aggressive but good. El Toro has some great air-time, but it is hindered by some turns that are unnecessarily rough. Georgia Cyclone is a perfect example of a coaster that has some great turns and twists, but it is old and someone can get hurt on just a normal ride on it.
(By the way, these statements are from a guy who is not really into these type of rides. It may not surprise you given my username, that there are only five woodens in what would be my top thirty favorites.)

[sfgam2006]

I am honestly very picky when it comes to rough. I even am starting to not like Viper at Great America anymore as it is just starting to get painful. My favorite woodie as of now is American Eagle at Great America as it has the bumpyness that I like from a coaster but isn't painfully rough in any way, shape, or form.

Now Ghostride, that ride is just utter crap. Going on it in both 2005 and 2007, Boomerang felt like a B&M compared to this. Now when I think about it, I don't mind the roughness from SLCs and Boomerangs.

- Zach

[Jake]

Now Ghostride, that ride is just utter crap. Going on it in both 2005 and 2007, Boomerang felt like a B&M compared to this. Now when I think about it, I don't mind the roughness from SLCs and Boomerangs.

I actually laughed out loud when I rode this. Now, I am by no means a Knott's fanatic these days, but calling Ghostrider "utter crap" is crap in itself. I have only been on one or two rides that have desrved such a statement and Ghostrider is not one of them. That ride is definitely vicious, not rough. It beats the crap out of you, but it's a ton of fun at the same time! It seems like a lot of the 'new generation' of enthusiasts prefer forceless, boring rides, to bumpy, exciting ones.

[Zonga]

I thought Ghostrider was a bit much, perhaps too out of control. I guess that means I'm a NextGen enthusiast. :) Personally, I love Roar at Marine World, quick and gives you a good rattle. It doesn't try to kill you like Ghostrider does.

[R.C.]

^I like both GhostRider and Roar. I agree with you that GhostRider is rougher than Roar, but the sense of speed on GhostRider really made up for that to me.

I like a good rough wooden coaster. I don't want to be killed on a wooden coaster, but I like the fact that wooden coasters are not glass smooth like a B&M.

[sfgam2006]

Well.. I am a little picky when it comes to roller coasters. And yes, when I went on Ghostrider, it almost made me cry I sware. The thing is, I can get my SLCs and Boomerangs no sweat as they are not very rough at all. When I come to think about it, the roughness was a very bad part of the ride and ruined it, but the dust coming into your face also isn't nice (then again, I'm 6'1").

I don't know, but when I rode it, it WAS crap..

- Zach

[FX-1]

I like woodies sort of. I just can't stand it when they're super-rough. What especially annoys me about Gwazi is that you never know what it'll be like. It's a great ride when it's more smooth but sometimes it's really rough for whatever reason and you feel like your brain's trying to break out of your head.

[Cody]

^ Thats why I love rough rides like that. Rides that are so bumpy that you don't know what to expect out of them.

[Jake]

Well.. I am a little picky when it comes to roller coasters. And yes, when I went on Ghostrider, it almost made me cry I sware. The thing is, I can get my SLCs and Boomerangs no sweat as they are not very rough at all. When I come to think about it, the roughness was a very bad part of the ride and ruined it, but the dust coming into your face also isn't nice (then again, I'm 6'1").

I don't know, but when I rode it, it WAS crap..

- Zach

I've never been a ride that has nearly pushed me to tears. I'm no tough guy (seriously, ask anyone, it's true), but I can't imagine there's a ride out there that is THAT bad. And how can you call Ghostrider rough but boomerangs and SLC's smooth? I don't personally have a problem with Kong - but than, I don't have a problem with Ghostrider either.

You just seem a little.. biased AGAINST Ghostrider, it's a great coaster - albeit a vicious beast.

And what's this madness about dust in your face?

[sfgam2006]

The thing is, some of you guys might have been on this coaster when it was "good" when it opened in the late 90's early 00's. This is just one of those coasters that is disputed and some people like it some people hate it. I think that it is just that some coasters handle better than other.

I think another reason I don't like it is that is throws you around your seat and I am pretty tall (no I am not fat, no offence to anyone) but still, it throws you into the person next to you and that is never fun.

It just isn't my favorite ride. I've been on it twice and my last ride was much worse than my first one which wasn't amazing. I don't know, I just don't feel half as much pain when I went on Mind Eraser or the Boomerangs verse this. Just my opinion.

- Zach

[The Storm Runner]

it throws you into the person next to you and that is never fun.


It's called laterals. "Vicious" coasters have them. If you don't like laterals, then one sentence of advice - don't go on Kennywood's Thunderbolt. :)

But going back to the original question, I like vicious, with a dash of roughness. :) It just goes together, I think.

[Cody]

^ Viper at SFGAm;)

[sfgam2006]

I love Viper @ SFGAm, that is very odd I guess how coasters work for me. I guess it is just a combination of all the features that makes me crazy I guess.

- Zach

[tycooner55]

Yeah, Kennywood's Thunderbolt has insane laterals, but somehow it doesn't hurt as much as other wooden coasters I've been on. Probably because of the super padded cars. I still love it.

[Dan]

Ah, Thunderbolt...no single riders allowed because of those g's. That's a true vicious coaster.

[tycooner55]

But in a good way. That's for sure.

[MaverickManJZ]

I think it's safe for me to say I've ridden the roughest of rough. Surviving Face/Off head bashing, SOB's jackhammering/roughness in general/ and ear drum shattering chainlift, Hurler's suckishness, and Beast/Racer crappy rides. And I still manage to have fun on all of them.

[ArrowOwnzU]

So what you're basically saying is PKI sucks.

[MaverickManJZ]

Yup, pretty much. All we have is Vortex and Drop Zone. I'm still praying for the B&M in 2009.

[sirloin]

Funny. I thought KI was an absolutely epic park. Top Gun and the Italian Job alone are worth the visit, but to each his own.

Personally, I think the park with the best wooden coasters is Hersheypark, as I feel that each one of their wooden coasters strikes the perfect balance between being too smooth and being too rough (and I say that having only ridden Wildcat with the PTC's). The rides were rambunctious, but not to the point of leaving me without the desire to ride them again and again.

Kings Dominion was a close second. I don't get the hatred of Hurler. That ride is legendary. Grizzly still takes the cake for me there, though, and Rebel Yell is no slouch.

[Dan]

Personally, I think the park with the best wooden coasters is Hersheypark, as I feel that each one of their wooden coasters strikes the perfect balance between being too smooth and being too rough (and I say that having only ridden Wildcat with the PTC's). The rides were rambunctious, but not to the point of leaving me without the desire to ride them again and again.
I completely agree. Although other parks have wooden coasters that are, in my opinion, better than Hershey's, Hershey has the best lineup. Comet is one of my favorite Woodies, despited its age...a classic ride. I too rode Wildcat with the PTC's, and I thought it was great (a bit rough in the back, but so be it).

[Comet]

Yeah Hershey definitely has the best wooden selection of the parks I have been too.

Comet is a classic that still offers an amazing ride.
Wildcat is the perfect rough now with it's Millennium Flyers, and was still good without them.
And Lightning Racer is the best GCI I have been on and the fact that it duels just adds to the experience.

[rollercoasterfreek]

Some wooden rides are ok when rough. If the seats had some better cushions, my back wouldn't be in pain. Some have ridiculous turns where the person next to me will most likely be leaning on me because of the G-force. It can get annoying and it hurts.

Roar is a pretty good wooden ride. Grizzly at Cedar Fair's Great America is terrible though.

[ArrowOwnzU]

Grizzly isn't exactly rough, its just slow. Although it does jackhammer a bit. IMO Ghostrider is worse than Grizzly in terms of roughness. However Ghostriders layout kicks the hell out of Grizzly's. Just my 2 cents.

[rollercoasterfreak91]

Grizzly is so slow it could never be called rough, IMO. I "fell asleep" on the far turn one time. People were laughing... <=random

[Jake]

^ I have to strongly disagree with that statement. I found the ride to be extremely rough, and unenjoyable when I rode it. Not only is the jackhammering roughness pretty terrible, the ride is excruciatingly boring as well!

[rollercoasterfreak91]

I guess it's all a matter of opinion. The only woodie I have ridden and found rough so far was Psyclone.

[tycooner55]

The Villain takes the roughness award for me. Terrible.

[Batman: The Member]

I don't agree that woodies should be the most vicious thing ever. I don't even like woodies rough I like them smooth.

[MaverickManJZ]

Funny. I thought KI was an absolutely epic park. Top Gun and the Italian Job alone are worth the visit, but to each his own.
Top Gun? Hm, to each his own. But IJST on a full moon night is pretty intense. Wow, that helix was insane.

[Matt]

Top Gun at KI is where Arrow got it's swinging suspended coaster finally right.

Too bad that was their last one. :(

I agree with sirloin. Plus, I think everyone deserves at least one night ride on Beast. Its a whole 'nother animal at night.

[sheikra182]

Sadly I didn't get to ride The Beast at night. I wish I could have though because like Matt said, it is a great ride at night. Oh well, I guess that's something to do when I go back to KI in a few years.

[chris]

Is this true? My brothers girlfriend said that El Toro is smooth. Is it?

[Michael]

^ Are you sure she was talking about El Torro? ;)
j/k



I have a neighbor who rode it over the summer, he said the same thing.

[chris]

My brother didnt fit in it though the sensors would not lock the harnest...So she just rode it. Hopefully ill go on it this year.

[sheikra182]

I have a high chance of riding that incredible coaster next year and I can't wait. It's amazing to me how we came from rough coasters like Racer and Blue Streak all the way to huge, fast, smooth rides like Voyage, El Toro, and Renegade.

[Voyage100]

How smooth El Toro is! It looks MUCH better than most of steel coasters. It does not get any shakey motion, as going clear up the hill, going down the hill with fast speed.

[rollercoasterfreek]

El Toro seems pretty cool. I wish I could go on it.

^ Isn't Voyage considered a hybrid ride since it has a steel track? It also seems worth going on. Too bad I am on the other side of the country.

[Matt]

Switch it around. Voyage has a steel structure but wooden track.

Idk, I thought it was an amazing ride. #1 on my list.

[Brandon728]

^^Wait, don't all wooden coasters have metal tracks?

[Brandon]

^^Wait, don't all wooden coasters have metal tracks?

Youre getting a hybrid's steel structure mixed up with road steel, which yes, all wooden coasters have.

If youre still confused, road steel is what the coaster train travels on...

[Dan]

^^Wait, don't all wooden coasters have metal tracks?Yeah...by saying a ride is hybrid with wood track though, one assumes tubular steel (Gemini (http://rcdb.com/id14.htm)).

[WickedPhantom]

The drop after the over station turn around on GhostRider and the turn right after it are so vicious, but they are the best part of the ride.

Magic Mountain's woodies are example of rough. Psyclone's side-to-side motion is just excrutiating, and Colossus is really bumpy (up and down...like driving a bumpy road).

[thatdancingbear]

^ Psyclone has been gone for over a year now... Not sure if you knew...

[Jake]

Ghostrider has gone past "viscous" and has definitely entered "roughness". To put it simply, it is way off of my top ten..

[sirloin]

Ghostrider has gone past "viscous"That's what happens when you don't have fluid transitions! HA HA HA HA!

Well, maybe the engineers around here will appreciate the humor.

[RaptorOMGZ]

I know that whenever me and my cousins go to cedar point during the summer we always say that we want to ride Mean Streak just because it has one of the shortest lines. When we get to the station they all say the front because the back hurts the most, but I say the back because you get thrown around a lot, so it makes you feel scared and thats awesome. Haha, maybe i'm just crazy, but I like it when the woodies are rough (:

I say that in the most non-sick way as possible for those kind of guys on here..lol :tongue_smilie:

[zburns999]

I was just wondering this today, and I guess there's no better place to post it:
Has anyone here been on Predator (Darien Lake), Mighty Canadian Minebuster (CW) or Wilde Beast (CW), because those are some seriously intense rides people usually don't reference.

[WickedPhantom]

^ Psyclone has been gone for over a year now... Not sure if you knew...

REALLY? It's been a while since my last visit. 1/2 of me is so happy to know that monstrosity of a ride is dead and gone, but the other 1/2 is sad that I didn't get to light the match.

[rollercoasterfreak91]

^^Yeah, the two at CW, and MCM is pretty rough, but nothing compared to Psyclone. WB is a mirror image of Grizzly at CGA, and both of them are so slow that I could fall asleep riding them. I don't call that one rough.

[rollercoasterfreek]

Rough is clearly the middle name of Grizzly at CGA. Being a local of the park, it is pretty annoying the way it is designed.

[rollercoasterfreak91]

^No offense, but I can't see how anyone could call that rough. Slow, yes, excruciatingly boring, yes, but rough? Psyclone was rough. Grizzly is a tame beast, IMO. Guess it's all a matter of opinion.

[Jake]

When I rode Grizzly a good 5 years ago, maybe more it was pretty rough. Some have described it as a "Jackhammer" type roughness, and I think that is a perfect description.

[p0tat0]

That's what happens when you don't have fluid transitions! HA HA HA HA!

Well, maybe the engineers around here will appreciate the humor.haha Good engineer joke :thumbup1:


I was thinking the same thing lol

[WickedPhantom]

When I rode Grizzly a good 5 years ago, maybe more it was pretty rough. Some have described it as a "Jackhammer" type roughness, and I think that is a perfect description.

Thats a better way to explain Colossus than what I said.

[sirloin]

haha Good engineer joke :thumbup1:I was really hoping someone would get it. I confess, though, that I felt like a serious nerd posting it, but such is life. After all, you aren't a true engineer until you start making jokes with engineering terms in them.

[rollercoasterfreak91]

^Maybe when I get my degree in college, I'll come back here to the forums and get it. :)

[Thrill Reconnoiter]

Has anyone here been on Predator (Darien Lake)
Trimmed up Dinns rock, FYI. :roll_eyes:

[rollercoasterfreek]

That's what happens when you don't have fluid transitions! HA HA HA HA!

Well, maybe the engineers around here will appreciate the humor.

I understand that one! Good one. I better understand if I want to major in engineering.
I didn't look at the previous page wondering about the post ^^^.

^No offense, but I can't see how anyone could call that rough. Slow, yes, excruciatingly boring, yes, but rough? Psyclone was rough. Grizzly is a tame beast, IMO. Guess it's all a matter of opinion.

The reason is because of the "Jackhammer" feeling it has. I felt sore when riding about 5 times in a day (not in a row). If I did ride Psyclone when it existed, my opinion might have changed.

[Pandarcadium]

At the moment, I have never ridden a woodie I wouldn't ride again. I have no problems with GhostRider in the back seat, and during the last few weeks of Psyclone's operation I marathoned the back seat.

As far as I'm concerned, if it's safe enough to operate for guests, I can probably handle it.

[WickedPhantom]

during the last few weeks of Psyclone's operation I marathoned the back seat.

As far as I'm concerned, if it's safe enough to operate for guests, I can probably handle it.

You're a braver man than I. Once was more than enough for me on Psyclone.

[Tom]

If a woodie is not rough, its not a woodie. That out of control feeling smashing around makes it for me. Blue Streak and GhostRider are my two favorite after thinking about it. GhostRider the drop after the station turnaround is amazing in the back. Blue Streak was such a shock and I loved how it through you around as well.

So I like viciously rough, bruising and all over the place.

[Whisper]

I like my woodies long and rough. My girlfriend enjoys them with me. Yeah, I sometimes get bruises from it, but it leaves me with a reminder of how good it was.

The best woodie I've been on was Mean Streak. It moved me around so much. And this kid beside me was annoying. So when I put my hands up, I kept hitting him in the head. Oh well, wasn't really my fault. Great head choppers too.

[Jake]

^ Is meanstreak the only wooden roller coaster you have been on?

I found it to be a terrible ride.. only a little bit lower on my list then Ghostrider these days.

I've decided that I have only been on a few woodies that I actually enjoy anymore. I enjoyed Roar, the Giant Dipper at Santa Cruz, and Blue Streak. Other then that, they have been bumpy, rough, or outright boring!

[Whisper]

Unfortunately, I haven't been on too many woodies. I've been on Mean Streak, Blue Streak, Might Canadian Mine Buster, Wild Beast, and Ghoster Coaster. So I don't really have a list. Therefore, Mean Streak is my favourite so far.

[rollercoasterfreek]

If a woodie is not rough, its not a woodie. That out of control feeling smashing around makes it for me. Blue Streak and GhostRider are my two favorite after thinking about it. GhostRider the drop after the station turnaround is amazing in the back. Blue Streak was such a shock and I loved how it through you around as well.

So I like viciously rough, bruising and all over the place.

I will go on a vicious ride just to say "I've been on it" but I don't like it when it comes to preference. As long as I don't ride consecutive times I am okay. A Woodie is obviously meant to be rough so I don't mind it too much.

[Michael]

Unfortunately, I haven't been on too many woodies. I've been on Mean Streak, Blue Streak, Might Canadian Mine Buster, Wild Beast, and Ghoster Coaster. So I don't really have a list. Therefore, Mean Streak is my favourite so far.

Mean Streak as your favorite, wow I never thought I would hear those words :stick_tongue:. Hope you can get on some better woodies!

I've only ridden a couple smooth woodies. And to be honest, they really lack in comparison to a rough and vicous ride. I'l take Beast over El Torro any day. Yes I just said that.

[Youhow2]

Wood was not meant to go as high as Beast or El toro...lol

[Jake]

I don't understand this mentality of "Wooden coasters weren't supposed to do..". Are you against innovation in the realm of wooden coasters? Because I'm definitely all for innovating, and rethinking this type of coaster. I love the classics like the Giant Dipper, but I see nothing wrong with rides such as El Toro, and if it had been executed properly - Son of Beast.

Also, maybe it is your preference to have a woodie that leaves you bruised and battered, but I wouldn't call that vicious. Vicious would be it jostling me a little, or giving me an intense ride, without readjusting my spine.

Perhaps that's just me though.

[Tom]

Jake, when I think of wooden coasters I don't think of steel. I think of classics, Coney Island Cyclone, Big Dipper, and then all the out and back twister coasters. I don't think El Toro because its just not very wooden coaster like in my opinion. It's too fast, too tall, and supposedly really smooth, which is another thing I am not looking for in a wooden coaster.
If I want smooth, I go ride a B&M hyper. If I want tall, I go ride an Intamin Acceleration coaster, in Sandusky, or Jackson that is, if I want fast, I find either an Intamin or a B&M to ride. Wooden coasters, at least in my mind, should throw you around, not go over 65 MPH, no inversions, no extreme steep drops, just out of control feeling just like the turn after GhostRiders mid course tournaround.
Then again that is what I like.

[Michael]

^ I agree, smooth wooden coasters just defeat the purpose :tongue:

^^^ I have nothing wrong with the mentality of innovation in wooden coasters. I would love to ride The Voyage, in fact I have a feeling it might bump Mavy out of my number one slot :wink2:. I do have a problem with rides like El Toro. From a few friends, I have heard it is very smooth, almost like a steel coaster. Why take away the out of control roughness of a coaster like the voyage?

[Jake]

Because not everyone wants to pay sixty dollars to ride a coaster that kicks their butt for two minutes.

Also - it's "El Toro" not "El Torro".

[p0tat0]

I just want them to give an out of control feeling. Yea roller coasters are meant to feel that way, but wooden coasters are totally different. Wooden coasters feel as if the train is about to fly off haha.

I just like mine rough; vicious is to much.

[coastermatt]

Vicious, such as Ghostrider (trims ON) and Colossus, they are enjoyable, with a out-of-control feeling, but not to the point where you can't enjoy it cause its painful.

[Ultimate Coaster]

Ghostrider pissed me off. If I had wanted to get punched in the back of the head for a minute and a half, I would've flipped off the security guard. I was so disappointed, because I'd heard such good things about it and it just beat the **** out of me. Knott's doesn't seem to take very good care of it.

Voyage was good. It was another bruiser, but at least it was lengthy enough to maintain a level of intensity. Again, not like Ghostrider, where just as your sides are beginning to go numb and you're enjoying the experience, you hit th brakes.

El Toro is the best wooden coaster I've ridden, best coaster I've ridden for that matter (it's my overall #1 out of 212 coasters). I don't care if it's not "out of control" in the conventional sense, because it has airtime that demolishes anything you'd ever find on a conventional wooden coaster. El Toro gets its "out of control" feeling by being such a powerful ride, not by making you feel like you strapped yourself to the bottom of an ATV.

[Airtime&Gravity]

I actually don't have a preference to wooden coasters. I'll ride any wooden coaster even if I know it'll beat me up, and I'll gladly ride coasters like Hades and El Toro. However, I prefer to ride wooden coasters that are neither vicious or rough. Sure El Toro is my number one coaster, but the airtime is so extreme that multiple re-rides(in a short amount of time) are not easily possible. The same goes for Hades, and even though this coaster also ranks highly on my list, it is difficult to take multiple rides in a short amount of time. However, coasters like Avalanche, Viper, Screamin Eagle, and even the Cyclone at Lakeside-even though this coaster was rough and vicious, I got about 10 rides i 30 minutes-are very fun, thrilling, and re-ridable. These coasters, while not the tallest or fastest in the world(although SE was in 76), feature great airtime, great pacing, and offer unique experiences.

Avalanche is great in that it is less than 100ft tall, but it somehow goes 55mph, features great airtime, and due to its street-side location, it provides a unique experience.

Screamin Eagle is simple a beautiful coaster with a great location in the hills of Eureka Missouri, and the numerous low hills provide great airtime.

Cyclone is another notable coaster that-while rough and vicious-doesn't seem to fall into either category. The station is beautiful at night when lit-up by the many neon lights, and the coaster has one of the post unique layouts on a wooden coaster I've been on. The first drop with its steep turn to the left provides one of the best airtime moments on any coaster I've ridden, and the remaining course is filled with sweeping turns, sudden dives, and numerous airtime moments.

So even though I strayed way off topic, I like wooden coasters no matter if they are vicious, rough, or neither. While I prefer coasters that fall into the neither category, I'll ride any wooden coaster. The only thing is that after riding a rough coaster(like Predator), I' might be wondering "What the hell was I thinking?"

[GuardianLegend]

As long as its fun i dont care. Rollercoasters dont hurt me

[TogoFan]

I like my woodies both vicious and rough, as long as I take a beatin' at the end!

[coastermatt]

^Doesn't surprise me, considering your name is "TogoFan"...